So here we are: I had all kinds of things to write about last night, but most of them resided, along with the sick feeling in your gut that surely, all of us felt (at least those of us who actually follow the team. And/or smuggled Ziplock bags of Jack into the stadium). Beyond the terrible effort on display on the part of Jevan Snead and the Ole Miss offensive line (can't fault the receivers, backs, or the defense), we have a pretty significant quandary on our hands in Oxford: we can't possibly conceive a way to win a football game wherein a loss is a possibility. Not since South Carolina in 2004 has Ole Miss defeated a team with an equal or greater combination of talent, experience, and coaching. Don't even bring up wins against Memphis, State, and Vandy (2006). The talent gap makes it inexcusable to lose those games, despite our ability to always make it look close.
Before Hog fans (you lost by 5 touchdowns to Alabama. This should be enough to silence you for the week, but I know otherwise) come here to gloat: this isn't a coaching issue. Houston Nutt and his staff have demonstrated that they can coach fundamentals, concoct a good game plan, choose the right personnel, and generally put the players in position to succeed. And while Orgeron's teams lost all kinds of games, some of which can be put on his shoulders, he still was incapable of fumbling the ball, throwing interceptions, or allowing Derek Pegues to go untouched into the endzone on a critical punt return. He was on the sidelines. And please, spare me any talk of how part of coaching is teaching kids to avoid mistakes like these. Having to teach kids to hold on to the ball and to avoid throwing 5 interceptions in a game is like taking attendance and grading homework in a 500 level class. It should be fucking insulting, and an unnecessary waste of time that could be spent on conditioning, learning playbooks, and scouting. I can't blame Nutt for this one, as the game plan was there.
If Nutt is at fault at all, it is in his recent inexperience in instilling a winning attitude. He inherited players that were decent and knew how to win at Arkansas. He recruited some excellent players and instilled a continued winning attitude, and did a lot of great things, all while located in the asshole of America, Fayetteville (again, Hawg fans, don't talk, your town sucks, and don't say 'thank God for Mississippi,' because that's a crock of shit bolstered by misleading statistics. Mississippi > Arkansas as a good place to live). Anyhow, it is certainly an alien feeling for Nutt to teach a bunch of talented, habitual losers to win. I can understand that. What I can't understand, is how it got this bad to begin with.
Ole Miss has some incredible talent. For certain, the talent in the secondary, at tight end, and in the linebacking corps, leaves something to be desired by the standards of the SEC elite. However, there aren't many guys like Mike Oher, John Jerry, Shay Hodge, Mike Wallace, Dexter McCluster, Greg Hardy, Peria Jerry, Brandon Bolden, etc., in the SEC. We have some serious players, and good balance overall. We just haven't found the chemistry and resolve to pull out any solid SEC wins in the last four years. Losing feels inevitable to these guys, and I'm not sure what can be done about that.
With all that behind me, let's go to the actual game analysis:
7 penalties for 82 yards vs. 2 penalties for 20. Hard to believe that the home team had over four times the penalty yardage as the away team, especially given the subjective nature of most of the penalties. Late hits were called on the UM offense when I saw the same thug garbage committed by a VU defender on the same play. Not the reason we lost, but damn. Give us a dozen or so fairly officiated SEC games and we just might win one or two...
Snead is a talented head case. Get ready, folks. If a QB lobotomy isn't performed on Snead soon, look for Brent Schaeffer part II. Last night was possibly (with talent level taken into consideration) the worst underperformance by an Ole Miss athlete since the invention of the forward pass. The stat sheet says four INT's. It was actually five, as the one immediately stolen back by the Ole Miss receiver wasn't counted. Can't even recognize the guy that threw four TD's on the road at Wake Forest. Either way, the 4/5 INT's doesnt begin to tell the story of how poor Jevan was. He was Ethan Flatt at Wyoming poor. He was Brent Schaeffer at Kentucky poor... Need I go on?
McCluster and Green put too much weight on their shoulders to make plays. Both are dynamic with the ball. Both made critical fumbles last night. Green had no business trying to break all those tackles on the punt return. There was no seam, no extra yardage to be gained. Protect the ball in this situation. McCluster probably shouldn't have been the guy to take the ball through the middle of the defense in this situation. Send any of our top three RB's, who are much bigger and stronger and have demonstrated sure hands for the most part, into the thick of things when it counts, instead of a 5-8 scat back. I agree with running the Wild Rebel, but again, decision making wasn't all it could have been by McCluster.
Defensive line will be a star unit if they don't get bogged down by the rest of the teams fuckuperation. Hardy, Jerry, and Powe were all monsters. Could be time for Gerald Pow to do the Hotty Toddy on the Grove stage, because he's getting much closer to his expected impact (12 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT, and a pass touchdown per game, approx.).
The rest of the defense fed off of the increased pressure from the front four. I hate to get all optimistic here, but we may just be able to pull an upset by playing good defense and keeping the ball out of Snead's incapable hands.
The offensive line is still soft. Even with over 200 yards rushing, the line failed to impress, this time with the problem being in pass protection. I wonder if most of this wasn't caused by Snead's inability to audible and take advantage of/cover for the blitz. Still, these guys are talented and experienced, and need to maul some motherfuckers. Hasn't yet happened.
That is about all I have. Last night, I was pondering the abysmal lack of intestinal fortitude and mental strength by Ole Miss athletes since I arrived here in the Fall of 2004. It really is sickening, and I find myself wondering after a loss like this what draws us to be fans. Certainly, regional proximity and school loyalty are a big factor in what team you support, but shouldn't you also respect something about the resolve, the tenacity, the effort level and the spirit of the teams for which you so fervently cheer? Well, as it stands, I can't respect them until they come out and win a big game. No loss can be considered a moral victory, no good effort can be deemed worthwhile until a W appears in the stat column. Here it is, Rebs: I don't respect you. I've seen more resolve and mental composure in Club and Intramural level teams, and your consistent failure to seal a victory has made me question the worth of my years of support. I won't go to Gainesville with my crew next weekend, because I know that you won't show up in any better mental condition to beat Florida than would I and my drunken compatriots. Please, Rebels, at some point this year, prove me wrong. Make me believe again. Win six and get to a bowl. Being a jaded asshole just isn't fun. Goodnight, and Hotty Toddy.
Sunday, September 21, 2008
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My God. I am pissed today. We should be 4-0 so D@mn easy. We gave it away to Wake and then gave it away several times to Vandy. You can't blame it on Nutt. He can put the players in a position to win over and over again, but it's not his job to hold onto the football. Trying to jump in from the 3!? Fumbling at the 1 ?! Good Lord.
Someone has to pay for this sh!t. It's going to be Florida. Look out Gainsville you've got an Ole Miss team coming down there mad as Hell and we're going to kick your @ss.
I can't believe we lost that game. I came home last night and took it out on my sister. But at least we don't live in Arkansas.
so wait...
You took it out on your sister? I guess it IS a good thing you don't live in Arkansas. Taking it out on your sister in Arkansas takes on a whole different meaning.
http://woopig.net/board/index.php?topic=63213.msg1031762#msg1031762
Green and McCluster will not makes those mistakes again.
Wish the same could be said about Snead, but I suspect he's got quite a few bad passes left in him.
I don't understand a couple things. First who cares what those idiots at another site say. I know that we have the greatest coach behind Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, and Fedora. But Bobby Johnson? I mean this school doesn't even have an athletic department. I am starting to wonder what we have done.
What was that crap?
For anyone who cares, some guy posted a pic on the Nafoom board that clearly shows McCluster's knee was down when he was called for the fumble. A poor effort by the offense indeed, but we still got hosed yet again.
The last paragraph of this post was awesome. Sums up my feelings well.
Who are you all kidding. We suck! There's no looking up for us. No bright spots. I wish we would have hired Muschamp. I think we jumped the gun by getting Nutt. I don't think we'll win the Egg this year.
Not since South Carolina in 2004 has Ole Miss defeated a team with an equal or greater combination of talent, experience, and coaching. Don't even bring up wins against Memphis, State, and Vandy (2006).
So you're saying that Vanderbilt in 2006 wasn't a "team with an equal or greater combination of talent, experience, and coaching" to Ole Miss?
That 2006 game was like a mirror image of this one statistically, by the way, but you probably knew that. Good luck in Gainesville. I'll be pulling for y'all.
Good post overall with one exception. You don't not take a road trip because our QB had 4/5 ints. Go to Gainesville. I made the mistake of saying what you are saying back in '03 and have regreted it since. And before anyone says, "yeah, but that team had Eli," let me answer you by saying that this team is better at every facet of the game than the '03 team except QB and tight end. You could say placekicker, but I'd even argue that is a wash.
My second point is, OliveBranch, get off it. This team does not suck. If you can't see that this team is capable of beating anyone on a given Saturday, then you've been watching a different team than I have.
You can try to deflect blame from nutt all you want, but the fact that he's now the only coach in the SEC with a losing record to Vandy speaks volumes.
Wow. Someone from MS saying Fayetteville sucks.
I guess Forbes, Kiplinger,and Money Magazine don't know shit about great places to live, then.
I'll take our low low crime, Ozark mountains, fall colors, Broadway plays, restaurants, parks, trails, and schools over anything in the entire state of Mississippi.
There isn't a single city in Mississippi with a quality of life as high as Fayetteville, Arkansas.
And just for the record, Little Rock >>>>>>>> Jackson.
Your coast is the ugliest in the U.S. Its the Jersey's Shore's inbred southern uglier Gulf Coast cousin.
You have no hills or mountains.
Your entire state is a carbon copy of that 1/4 of Arkansas that nobody here wants to claim because its "like Mississippi".
Oh, and now you have our shitty football coach, too.
Even Nutt (who is from Arkansas) is a huge upgrade to anything you have in Mississippi.
The statistics aren't misleading.
Mississippi sucks. And so does Houston.
@ anon...
You can't have Broadway plays unless you're on Broadway. You only have some productions of plays that were done on Broadway. Awesome. Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Forum was done at Pisgah High School last year too. I guess we should put that on the billboard when entering Mississippi. Seriously, getting excited that some touring company with a few people who were in the production when it was on Broadway is a little ridiculous. That's like us touting the fact that we're hosting a presidential debate. Oh crap. We ARE doing that.
Well you want to call me out, but don't leave a name? Take your trip to Florida, watch them lose. What is Nutt's record against Florida and Georgia? And to say we had Eli in 04. We had Cutcliffe. You do the math genius!
Ole Miss blows. Always has. Always will.
When I said I took it out on my sister I didn't mean I hit her. I would never do such a thing. I only hit my brother. Not like you hit your brother in Starkville!
@ anon who said:
"bla bla bla a bunch of magazines 'n' shit like Fayetteville"
You cited Money and Forbes, both of which have had positive things to say about Oxford as well. Throw in Fortune, the Food Network and, in a few days, the global news media and it becomes clear that this whole load of "lol Oxford suuuuxxxx" shit you oinkers talk is completely absurd.
You're all about as wacky as 9/11 "truthers" or Scientologists. Everybody on the outside looking in thinks you're fucking nuts. But, since you and our buddies are all in concurrence, you've convinced yourselves that you're not the ones being naïve.
How do you get the two little dots over the i in naive? I'm very impressed.
I'll be in Gainesville. I'm still looking at this team through bourbon-colored glasses. And besides, it's a great road trip.
I still think that Jevan has a great deal of talent (more so, obviously, than Ethan Flatt), but his decision-making skills rival those of a friend of mine who faked his own shooting - he dreams too big. So, I think calling out the entire team is a bit unfair.
I knew after that Wake game, Jevan would think he was Superman. He's not, in case you didn't notice. Certainly not yet. So, the coaches just need to keep reminding him that he need not win the game by himself. Create an environment our many playmakers can take advantage of.
Well, anon-magazine guy was right about one thing, at least...
Unlike Arkansas, we have no mountains.
That is because population studies have shown statistically significant correlation (in this case, linear regression with positive slope) between areas of increasing human geographical isolation and increasing genetic invariability among offspring.
And another thing, anon-magazine guy--some of us in that 1/4 that looks like Mississippi (it's more like 1/3, really) don't give a rip about your mountains, your fall colors, your rainbow trout, your Walmart, your chickens, your religous fundamentalist wackos, your hillbillies, your meth labs, or your vanilla culture. And oh yeah, your Razorbacks. Might as well be in the Midwest if you're in Fayetteville.
And before you question my frame of reference, I've lived in both areas.
Funny how you were quick to slam Nutt, but made sure to note he was a product of Arkansas. I don't like him either, but give the thing a rest, at least until after y'all play Ole Miss.
You people are delusional. Nutt sucks. Mississippi blows. You assholes will soon learn what we have been telling you all along. You don't listen do you? WHO DID NUTT RECRUIT TO ARKANSAS WORTH A DAMN??? The two guys that are showing out on Sunday were coming to Arkansas DESPITE nuttjob. With micky mouse as coach the last two years, we would have won a couple BCS games and had a heisman trophy winner or two to boot. You just keep telling yourselves how awesome nutt is. You can watch nutt's handywork on two different teams each saturday. He left our cupboard bare and will do less with more there in the shithole that is Mississippi.
"With micky mouse as coach the last two years, we would have won a couple BCS games and had a heisman trophy winner or two to boot."
For a group of fans to have such an insanely over-inflated view of themselves call us delusional is pretty stunning, wouldn't you say?
Hello, Godfrey. It's me, rh0d3$+@r. If you're out there, could you do us all a favor, pick up your magic red phone to The Man Upstairs, and request that the impending apocalypse be brought already?
I guess I feel like John when he's stuck up the tree fighting the lynx in that Jerry Clower story...
"Jus' go on ahead 'n shoot up in here amongst us, 'cause ONE OF US HAS GOTTA HAVE SOME RELIEF."
I never emagined a group of football fans any sillier than Cleveland Brown fans, but I have to admit, this take's the cake. First of all, let's get something straight. Players are the reflection of thier coach. They have the same tendencies, and develope the same disipline, over time. Two years from now, When Petrino has re-stocked the cupboard, that the Nuttster left mostly empty, his Razorback players will resemble something very close to Ole Saint Nick's players, down in Tuscaloosa, while on the other hand, the Nuttster will use up most of the talent, a great recruiter, named Orgeron, left for him. By this time, most of the Ole Piss faithful will be sounding much like the hated Hog fans they so much despise today. Here's a clue; We've seen your coach, up front and personnel, for the last ten years now. We know more than you, when it comes to Nutt. It doesn't matter that you can cuss better than we can, or that you can resist from screwing your brother, settling for your mother instead. What matter's is that you have a pitiful coach, who may very well whip the Hogs in Fayetteville this year with the talent he has so luckily recieved, but understand this, enjoy it while you can, because it'll be the first and last chance the Nuttster will ever get at whipping a Petrino coached team. GO HOGS GO BABY!!!!!
I wouldn't get too down about being 2-2 so far. I was looking at our records from past years and alot of our best seasons have begun 2-2 and then finished strong. I'm not worried.
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This whiskey wednesday sounds like a 19 year old kid that still thinks its cool to cuss every other sentence. No one is laughing with you man, they are all laughing at your sorry self.
Oh boy it's going to be soooo great when we kick the hogs' teeth in October 25.
This whiskey wednesday sounds like a 19 year old kid that still thinks its cool to cuss every other sentence. No one is laughing with you man, they are all laughing at your sorry self.
Thanks for speaking on behalf of everyone, brave anonymous commenter, it's nice to have the entirety of public opinion surmised by one idiot. Actually, we have hundreds of readers daily (sometimes thousands) in this, our first year of operation. Hell, if you removed all the viewers from Arkansas (a considerable number, as there isn't anything else to do in that state) then you'd still find a pretty large number of Rebel fans who come to this site to laugh with us, rather than level their disdain and pity because we 'use too many cusses.' I'll keep doing what I do, thank you. You should probably run along back to the Ole Miss Spirit.
I actually only counted nine cuss word in his post. It's longer than eighteen sentences.
It was enough when Whiskey Wednesday was in Law School, but NOW THIS!?!? Cursing, you say!?
Well, fuck me!
Strange situation for me. As an Arkansas fan, I've always really pulled for Rebel teams in the past because our teams traditionally reside in that second-tier of the SEC, and both teams have shown flashes of greatness from time to time. It's nice to pull for the underdog who actually has a chance you know? Like most Hog fans however, I despise Nutt. I sort of feel like a guy whose lying, cheating, tramp of an ex-girlfriend starts dating a buddy. You feel like you have to warn a brother, even if you know he'll tell you to go to hell. Anyway, there are a couple of things I urge you guys to look at over the course of the season. Things that coaches CAN control.
Time Management - This has never been a Nutt strength, and it looks as though it has carried over in Oxford.
Special Teams - This has cost AR at least a game a season for all of Nutt's tenure here. James Shibest is one of the worst coaches I have ever had the misfortune to know. No joke, this guy is mildly retarded.
QB devlopment - No QB has ever improved under Nutt at AR. Ever. The Snead you have seen this year is a good as its ever going to get. Sorry.
The bright side is that the run game will continue to develop, and line play will improve. You'll beat all the patsies, and suprise a team here and there. Enjoy the Razorback game this year, you guys will probably win this one. Like several people here have said though, if you can't do it this year, you'll never do it. Cheers.
Dito on the last post. I couldn't have said it any better myself. I've rooted for Ole Miss in the past, to beat the like's of LSU, Florida, or 'Bama, and was happy to see they at least gave them all they could handle. The Razorback fan that gave the last post was right on when he gave you fair warning about Nutt, and how his QB's NEVER develope's. The only reason he passes as much as he does now is because Snead is so talented, and can scramble himself out of trouble. Remember Matt Jones? He never truly developed. Why do you think he's a WR in the NFL? It's probably because he's a freak of an athlete, at 6'6",248 lbs., running a 4.3 in the 40, but it certainly isn't because of Nutt. Your days are coming, where you are basically going to be sitting in front of the T.V., yelling what the fuck was that you idiot!!?? The only thing the last poster didn't mention was that Nutt will also lose to a team he is supposed to beat, at least once a year. So don't build up Vandi too much. Thier no patsie, but you were still more talented, and you were at home, so there really isn't an exscuse. By the time half of the next season is over, Rebel fans will start to see clearly through Nutt's exscuses, and tire of his continual blaming of the players, instead of shouldering the blame himself. Wait and see, it's coming.
Goddamn, I swear to you the collective reading comprehension skills of those in Oxford are firmly intact. No need to repeat yourself on a daily basis for eight fucking months.
As for our quarterback: I'm more than willing to make a wager on this notion that Jevan Snead is as good as he'll ever be under Nutt (and Austin - since you seem to think he has nothing to do with our quarterbacks). To make it interesting, if Jevan improves into a good QB, I get to fuck your sister. If he doesn't, then you get to fuck her. Fair enough?
By the way, if you're going to continue coming here "warning" us and making claims about what we are to expect, you should at least have the balls to admit all the shit you've been wrong about so far. Hope I didn't curse too much for you. Fucking cheese-crusted cunts...the whole lot of you.
Wrong about what???
For starters, we were told all summer long that Jevan would do nothing more than hand off to the running backs all season. We would never throw the ball down field, etc. Through four games, we've thrown 106 times (43%) and run the ball 142 times (57%). That's hardly one-dimensional in my book.
This discussion is the basic equivalent of Ole Miss fans dogging Saints fans about how much Orgeron sucks. Who gives a fuck? If you have Nutt, why the hell do you feel the need to tell everyone about it? I don't tell Saints fans what a retard the Shrimper is.
Nutt might try the pass against powerhouse Memphis, the pride of the ACC Wake Forest and Pillow Fight Champion Vanderbilt but not now that you're about to play a real SEC team. Passing is over - except in 3 and 12 or more (which may be often). The speed of Florida, Alabama, Auburn and LSU will panic Nuttjob into running Wild Rebel on every play. No 43% passing this Saturday. And another crushing loss you can blame on great athletes with losing attitudes despite "brilliant" coaching.
@anon,
You're the only person in this thread who has called HDN's coaching "brilliant." Even though you were being satirical, it doesn't help your case to throw something that nobody has said into quotes.
Hey, I've got a better idea. If you lose the bet, I fuck your momma, and if I lose, you can have her back! Gators 42 - Little drummer boys 7.
Hey do you guys ever talk about anything intelligent on this site, or is it all about incest?
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