Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Arkansas Straw Men - Part 1

If I only had a brain.The "Straw Man Fallacy" is a term used in the context of discourse to represent the deliberate construction of your opponent's argument simply for the purpose of either proving a point or misrepresenting your opponents true position. The name is derived from the idea that, in doing this, one creates a "straw man" which to attack as opposed to his or her opponent. In its most extreme sense, it's a diversion tactic. However, in its most basic sense, it's simply an attempt to make your opponent look foolish.

How have Arkansas fans used it? Well, many of them seem to think we're mindlessly enamored with our coach. I can even remember (and no, I'm not going to take the time to look) Razorbacks making claims in our comment threads that Ole Miss fans think Houston Nutt is "brilliant" and "the best coach ever." This maybe be true for the "OMG Hawtty Tawddy y'all WeAr RED!!!1" portion of the fanbase, but to come onto a blog which openly admits that Nutt is in the bottom half of the conference in coaching and make such claims is pretty damned ignorant.

You get it now? This argument is a straw man in that it purports a position which is not necessarily that of the target in an attempt (a failed one, at that) to misrepresent the opponents' (that'd be us) position and/or undermine their intelligence. I have yet to meet an Ole Miss fan who thinks Houston Nutt is "da best currch EVAR " and we've certainly never said that.

Within the realms of logic, reason, and debate, the use of a straw man is considered fallacious (hence the name) and frowned upon. I certainly don't like them very much myself, either.

This is why, over the next few days, I plan on demonstrating the absurdity of the common use of the straw man on the part of the Razorback fans by--you guessed it--setting up my very own straw men!

Now, this series won't be consistent of true straw men in that these are positions actually advocated by hoardes of Razorback fans. However, they will be straw men in the sense that I am bringing up these topics without (direct) provocation and arguing against them before my opponent(s) have an opportunity to directly state their position(s).

Also, I plan on really blowing this shit outta proportion.

Hypocritical double standard? You bet. I run this Goddamn blog, motherfuckers. You can just get over it.


Straw Man number 1: "Ole Miss has a talented football team."

Arkansas fans love to say this. They clamor on and on about the ever so talented Rebels. Of course, they do this to further perpetuate the idea that, with another (really, any other) coach, Ole Miss would have a much better record. In their eyes, Ole Miss is extremely talented and Hooten Day-yel is just fuckin' this one up royally. The examples are numerous. Just peruse our comment threads, woopig, hogville, and the like.

While the Rebels certainly have a few talented players (some at an All-American level) at certain positions, to say that Ole Miss, as a team, is talented is not true. Oher and Peria Jerry are perhaps the only players who consistently display high levels of talent. When Jevan's on a roll, Hardy has his magic shoes, and Dex hasn't been eating fried catfish while wearing his receiver's gloves they are certainly quite talented. However, a 1/1 TD to INT ratio doesn't scream "talent." Not starting because of your shitty attitude is, in my opinion, a demonstrable lack of talent. And you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would describe someone who turns the ball over as routinely as McCluster to be purely talented.

Does a talented team have to convert a wideout and halfback to cornerback just to be four-deep at the position? Does a talented team have two converted safeties at the outside linebacker slots? Does a talented team have a former wideout starting at free safety? Our lack of talent has made these changes necessary; not some imaginary boatload of talent, Razorback fans.

On what basis to the Hogs make these claims of talent? They, like many of us in Eddie O's first couple of seasons, were tricked by Rivals and Scout recruiting rankings.

For simplicity's sake, I'm going to be using Rivals.com data for this next portion where I look at the last few years of Ole Miss recruiting to decipher just how we ascertained such high, yet misleading recruiting rankings.

2004: 30th overall/8th in the SEC - Ok, this one doesn't really count because it was Cutcliffe's last year and it wasn't highly ranked, but the fact that, of the 14 3-star or higher rated players, 3 of them made it to their redshirt senior season (remember, Cut gave just about everyone a red shirt) says something about our retention rate. "Oh, but Ghost, those players graduated or are in the NFL, duh." No, sadly, not at all.

2005: 30th overall/9th in the SEC - This class featured Jerrell Powe. Keep that in mind. It also featured Peria Jerry, who was being counted a second time. Of the 11 3-star or higher players, only five stuck with the program. Remember Quenten Taylor, Jada Brown, and Kendrick Perry? Yeah, thought so.

2006: 16th overall/6th in the SEC - This was Ed Orgeron's best class by far... sorta. While looking through the reference links today I noticed this thread on Hogville, on which someone made the claim that we had "the best recruiting classes in the SEC." Sixth isn't the "best," you dolt. The reason this class was ranked so high was because of two 5-star caliber athletes: Brent Schaeffer (bust, only "played" two seasons) and Jerrell Powe (being counted for a second time). It also featured John Jerry being counted for a second time. Furthermore, 4-star Tery Levy, who never made it on campus was a part of this class. However, despite these setbacks, this class was still pretty good by Ole Miss standards. Many of those players are still on the team. Despite this relative succss, the 2006 class certainly isn't the type to completely support an entire program. Of the 24 3-star or higher players in this class, 7 are not a part of the program.

2007: 27th overall/8th in conference - This class was a complete bust. It consisted of six four stars, the three highest rated of which (Chris Strong, AJ Jackson, and Roderick Davis) aren't on the team. There were 18 3-star or higher athletes in this class and, after ONE season, a third of them are gone.

2008 28th overall/7th in conference - This was a half Nutt, half Orgeron recruited class and, say what you Razorbacks will, but four of the top five players in this class committed to Ole Miss because of Nutt.

So, of all of the highly rated Ed Orgeron years, we had several players whose star rankings counted twice, a five-star who played like a 1-star, and more than enough 4-stars that never even made it to campus. As of right now, we have 49 3-star or higher players to fill up 85 roster slots... ouch.

Those recruiting class rankings you see every spring are absolute bullshit. If you are an Ole Miss fan and haven't realized that by now, prayers have been sent.

All of this adds up to one, simple fact; and that is that Ole Miss is NOT talented. LSU is talented. Florida is talented. Alabama is (I regret typing this already) talented. This team didn't win a single damned game in conference last season. This team can't fill out its roster at certain key positions with natural players of those positions. Hell, some members (ahem) can't even put a pair of shoes on a damned bus. However, and as sad as this is to say, this is the most talented Rebel team in five years. Are they more talented than Arkansas? Yes. Yes they are. The Razorback faithful will say "well Houston Dale just gave up on recruiting!"

Well, well, well... What a lovely segue into tomorrow's segment of Arkansas Straw Men: "Houston Nutt is a despicable person for not putting his full effort into recruiting last season." Stay tuned, faithful Cup fans! Arkansas hate week rolls on!

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Those are some major critical thinking skills, my man. Nice.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you get it. You're going on and on trying to form a coherent argument while we're still laughing at the phrase "ole miss head coach houston nutt".

Bob said...

I don't think you get it. You go on and on about how much you think Houston Nutt sucks but, to everyone on the outside looking in, you're all crazy buffoons. We know you don't like Houston Nutt. Your opinions just don't mean dick to us.

Bob said...

And before you start yammering on and on with some kind of "well if you don't care about our opinions why did you write this" let me say this:

While somewhat subjective in nature, the determination of what is and isn't talented is most certainly based on some sort of factual foundation. Whether or not something is factual is not based on opinion.

I put together a factual base (using something we call "evidence") to dispute claims which, in typical Razorback fashion, aren't really based on much.

Long story short; the word "talented" can be used subjectively. However, one can, using mathematical and anecdotal evidence, establish or refute claims of "talent."

Anonymous said...

It has nothing to do with how talented Ole Miss is this season. I'll agree with whatever talent level you say they're at. The point is that this season and next is as good as it's gonna get.
(insert line about how recruiting rankings are meaningless here)

Ivory Tower said...

I forgot how 1998 and 1999 were Arkansas' best seasons under Houston Nutt. Good call, woopig.

Anonymous said...

2006 could have, and should have been the best Razorback season ever.
Talk about pissing in someone's corn flakes now!
That idiot (Mr. Nutt) you guys keep refering to as "coach", completely ruined that whole season.
We had a good chance of having a very special season, until the Nuttster pushed his way right back into the playcalling.
Check out the last regular season game that year against LSU.
Over and over again, this idiot ran basic offensive formations that screamed "it's a run play motherfucker!!", all the while letting every fan in the whole damn stadium know that Casey Dick would be exspected to trot onto the field, after a useless and completely wasted timeout, and be exspected to magically throw for a first down against the best GD defense in the country.
Do you really think we shouldn't have run him out of town?
This guy wasted the whole fucking year because he couldn't stand the fact that Gus Malzhan was what we had been needing for years!
Remember the two back to back 4-7 seasons the Hogs had before Malzhan arrived?
Just like that LSU game, only all year long.
Same game, same shit!

Ghost,

Write this down as another fact, before you start making a point of 3 star athletes making up literally half of the Ole Miss roster.

FACT:90%, that's right, 90% of all div.1 athletes signed to a scholorship, are 3 star atheletes.

Everybody get's caught up with the 4 and 5 star guys when there are basically not that many signed to begin with.

It's the coaches job to develope players, and even though there are lot's of 3 star guys that don't pan out for whatever reason, most of them do, if they have the coaching.

That's the difference between a Nutt and a Petrino.
If you need proof, just look up how many 3 star guys Petrino had on his 2006 Louisville team that went to a BCS bowl, and finished ranked #7 in the country.

Don't be suprised if you see the exact same thing in the next two years from Petrino at Arkansas, while Nutt will keep Ole Miss exactly where thier at right now.

Bob said...

"just look up how many 3 star guys Petrino had"

He had the USA Today HS offenseive player of the year as his quarterback. The kid was even on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school junior. That makes a HUGE difference.

Think about Ole Miss with Eli Manning. Now think about Ole Miss after Eli Manning. A stud veteran at QB can win you many, many games.

Also, Michael Bush was as stud recruit.

I view Petrino like I view David Cutcliffe, that is, if David Cutcliffe had an open tab at U-Haul. I say this in that given the right kind of players, he'll win games. His tenure at Louisville proved that... against CUSA and Big East opponents, at least.

Bob said...

"just look up how many 3 star guys Petrino had"

He had the USA Today HS offenseive player of the year as his quarterback. The kid was even on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school junior. That makes a HUGE difference.

Think about Ole Miss with Eli Manning. Now think about Ole Miss after Eli Manning. A stud veteran at QB can win you many, many games.

Also, Michael Bush was as stud recruit.

I view Petrino like I view David Cutcliffe, that is, if David Cutcliffe had an open tab at U-Haul. I say this in that given the right kind of players, he'll win games. His tenure at Louisville proved that... against CUSA and Big East opponents, at least.

Bob said...

Oh, and I would say the same applies to Nutt and Mcfadden, but apparently Nutt had nothing to do with that… right?

McFadden was a Razorback from birth or he was lied to about Danny Nutt dying or something, right? I'm just making sure I've got the story straight.

Anonymous said...

We have the most talented players at Ole Miss evar, and Houston Nutt is the best coach in the SEC. Period.

Anonymous said...

This is going to be a good game huh? Smell that *sniff* it's the smell of a rivalry... The rednecks of Arkanscrewursis and the great american public/private university go toe to toe in a royal rumble of astronomical bullshit! THIS is why I like SEC sports.

Anonymous said...

Your still holding back on the team as a whole Ghost.

Granted, a "stud" QB will make a huge difference, but make a team it will not.

That's like saying he doesn't need blocking or the right play called at the right time, depending on what type of defense he's up against.

Nutt also had Mitch Mustain and Damien Williams on his second to last Razorback team. Where are they now? With a real coach, with real vision for offensive balance.
He also wouldn't have landed them had Broyles not forced him to hire thier HS coach as the OC.

Nutt has never landed (by himself) a "stud" QB. Never.
His most sucsessful (passing) QB was Clint Stoerner, which wasn't recruited by him, just like the QB he's coaching now.

Until Ole Nutty is gone, you might as well except the fact there won't be anymore mannings recruited to Oxford.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Nutt done a real good job recruiting McFadden, even if he did say word for word "I grew up alway's wanting to be a Razorback and representing my home state".

Every program has thier homers right? So yeah, you got the story straight.

Recruiting was never the issue with D-Mac, coaching was.

Anonymous said...

By the way, how is that Mustain guy doing at his new school? I haven't seen him yet.

If he is such a stud, you'd figure he might get on the field every so often, especially with superb coaching at USC.

Anonymous said...

Your just too damned easy. (a common occurance for a Rebel fan)

Mark Sanchez was the #1 QB recruit in the country in 2004.

Mitch Mustain was #1 in 2005.

Arron Corp was #4 two years later in 2007.

Mustain wasted his Freshman year in college listening to an idiot, who think's he knows how to call plays, much less develope a true drop-back QB.

Sanchez has had the oppotunity to develope in one system. Mustain is still learning a very complex offensive system.

Corp isn't far behind, but has had almost as much of an opportunity to learn the offense as Mustain, considering Mustain had to travel clear across the damn country just to sit out one year.

Does that explain it enough, or is that too much to comprehend all at once?